WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.576 --> 00:00:01.076 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES IN] 2 00:00:03.859 --> 00:00:06.590 align:middle line:90% This is "In Conversation" from Apple News. 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.056 align:middle line:90% I'm David Greene, filling in for Shumita Basu. 4 00:00:09.449 --> 00:00:14.550 align:middle line:90% Today, a former elite gymnast, abused by Larry Nassar, speaks out. 5 00:00:15.870 --> 00:00:16.370 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT] 6 00:00:21.682 --> 00:00:22.182 align:middle line:90% [SOLEMN MUSIC] 7 00:00:22.774 --> 00:00:23.274 align:middle line:90% [START C-SPAN ARCHIVAL CLIP] 8 00:00:23.274 --> 00:00:25.947 align:middle line:90% Chair Durbin, Ranking Member Grassley, 9 00:00:25.947 --> 00:00:28.270 align:middle line:90% and distinguished members of the Judiciary Committee, 10 00:00:28.270 --> 00:00:30.561 align:middle line:90% thank you for inviting me to speak to you today. 11 00:00:30.561 --> 00:00:31.061 align:middle line:90% [END C-SPAN ARCHIVAL CLIP] 12 00:00:32.144 --> 00:00:34.700 align:middle line:90% On September 15, 2021, 13 00:00:34.700 --> 00:00:40.110 align:middle line:90% a young woman who had first been known in court filings as Athlete A 14 00:00:40.345 --> 00:00:42.648 align:middle line:90% told her story to the Senate Judiciary Committee. 15 00:00:43.067 --> 00:00:46.581 align:middle line:90% She was one of more than 300 survivors of sexual abuse 16 00:00:46.581 --> 00:00:49.591 align:middle line:90% by former USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar. 17 00:00:49.768 --> 00:00:50.268 align:middle line:90% [START C-SPAN ARCHIVAL CLIP] 18 00:00:50.268 --> 00:00:51.318 align:middle line:90% I want everyone to know 19 00:00:51.318 --> 00:00:54.072 align:middle line:90% that this did not happen to Gymnast Two or to Athlete A. 20 00:00:54.072 --> 00:00:56.013 align:middle line:90% It happened to me, Maggie Nichols. 21 00:00:56.013 --> 00:00:56.513 align:middle line:90% [END C-SPAN ARCHIVAL CLIP] 22 00:00:56.513 --> 00:00:59.763 align:middle line:90% Maggie Nichols was the first athlete on the national team 23 00:00:59.763 --> 00:01:04.758 align:middle line:90% to report Larry Nassar's sexual abuse to USA Gymnastics in June of 2015. 24 00:01:05.089 --> 00:01:09.146 align:middle line:90% That day before the Senate, Maggie, along with three of her former teammates, 25 00:01:09.434 --> 00:01:12.443 align:middle line:90% Simone Biles, Aly Raisman, and McKayla Maroney, 26 00:01:12.682 --> 00:01:15.230 align:middle line:90% told lawmakers about the horrors they suffered 27 00:01:15.230 --> 00:01:19.117 align:middle line:90% and about the FBI's failures in investigating Larry Nassar. 28 00:01:19.677 --> 00:01:20.177 align:middle line:90% [START C-SPAN ARCHIVAL CLIP] 29 00:01:20.177 --> 00:01:23.808 align:middle line:90% We now know there was no real FBI investigation occurring. 30 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.160 align:middle line:90% While my complaints with the FBI, 31 00:01:26.160 --> 00:01:28.859 align:middle line:90% Larry Nassar continued to abuse women and girls. 32 00:01:29.019 --> 00:01:29.819 align:middle line:90% During this time, 33 00:01:29.830 --> 00:01:32.936 align:middle line:90% the FBI issued no search warrants and made no arrests. 34 00:01:32.936 --> 00:01:33.436 align:middle line:90% [END C-SPAN ARCHIVAL CLIP] 35 00:01:34.430 --> 00:01:38.178 align:middle line:90% Because of the bravery of these young women and others like them, 36 00:01:38.437 --> 00:01:40.104 align:middle line:90% Larry Nassar is in prison. 37 00:01:40.169 --> 00:01:45.330 align:middle line:90% But even now, several years later, with the Paris Olympics just months away, 38 00:01:45.620 --> 00:01:48.242 align:middle line:90% USA Gymnastics has yet to fully recover. 39 00:01:48.749 --> 00:01:52.513 align:middle line:90% Maggie is out now with a memoir called "Unstoppable" 40 00:01:52.655 --> 00:01:57.167 align:middle line:90% that recounts her experience coming forward to USA Gymnastics in 2015 41 00:01:57.559 --> 00:02:01.306 align:middle line:90% and then not being selected for the 2016 Olympic team. 42 00:02:01.750 --> 00:02:04.708 align:middle line:90% But her story begins when, at just three years old, 43 00:02:04.809 --> 00:02:06.816 align:middle line:90% she fell in love with gymnastics. 44 00:02:06.816 --> 00:02:07.316 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT] 45 00:02:08.556 --> 00:02:09.989 align:middle line:90% I was a crazy little kid. 46 00:02:09.989 --> 00:02:11.619 align:middle line:90% Um, I had three older brothers, 47 00:02:11.619 --> 00:02:15.691 align:middle line:90% and I was always trying to do what they were doing at the young age, 48 00:02:15.691 --> 00:02:18.830 align:middle line:90% and climbing on furniture, climbing out of my crib, 49 00:02:19.019 --> 00:02:20.801 align:middle line:90% climbing over the fence before I could walk. 50 00:02:20.801 --> 00:02:21.301 align:middle line:90% [GREENE LAUGHS] 51 00:02:21.301 --> 00:02:23.747 align:middle line:90% So, they were like, we need to do something with this girl… 52 00:02:23.747 --> 00:02:24.247 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 53 00:02:24.247 --> 00:02:25.394 align:middle line:90% …before she hurts herself. 54 00:02:25.394 --> 00:02:27.474 align:middle line:90% So, they put me in gymnastics with my brother, 55 00:02:27.474 --> 00:02:31.187 align:middle line:90% and I absolutely loved it from the second I started. 56 00:02:31.187 --> 00:02:34.497 align:middle line:90% I wanted to take as many turns as I possibly could, 57 00:02:34.497 --> 00:02:35.784 align:middle line:90% even at the age of three. 58 00:02:35.784 --> 00:02:39.676 align:middle line:90% I wanted to do all the fun tricks and flips that you're doing at that age. 59 00:02:39.676 --> 00:02:41.435 align:middle line:90% And even when I wasn't in the gym, 60 00:02:41.435 --> 00:02:46.086 align:middle line:90% I was out on the grass doing gymnastics, flipping around, doing crazy stuff. 61 00:02:46.086 --> 00:02:49.277 align:middle line:90% So, I absolutely loved the sport ever since I started. 62 00:02:49.695 --> 00:02:52.549 align:middle line:90% What do you remember about your, your goals now, 63 00:02:52.549 --> 00:02:56.284 align:middle line:90% like in terms of what you wanted to get out of gymnastics? 64 00:02:57.368 --> 00:03:01.309 align:middle line:90% From the earliest age, um, I think I was about six or seven, 65 00:03:01.309 --> 00:03:04.139 align:middle line:90% I was watching the 2004 Olympics, 66 00:03:04.149 --> 00:03:08.207 align:middle line:90% and I watched Carly Patterson win the all-around gold medal. 67 00:03:08.669 --> 00:03:11.412 align:middle line:90% And I was like, "I'm going to be Carly Patterson. 68 00:03:11.412 --> 00:03:12.992 align:middle line:90% I'm going to do what she's doing." 69 00:03:12.992 --> 00:03:16.050 align:middle line:90% And so, I think as I got older, that goal kind of stayed the same 70 00:03:16.050 --> 00:03:21.735 align:middle line:90% of going to the Olympics and, um, you know, making it to national team. 71 00:03:22.331 --> 00:03:23.712 align:middle line:90% So, I always had goals. 72 00:03:23.809 --> 00:03:27.190 align:middle line:90% I'm a big goal setter, so that's kind of when that started. 73 00:03:27.190 --> 00:03:27.690 align:middle line:90% [INTRIGUING MUSIC] 74 00:03:28.271 --> 00:03:32.590 align:middle line:90% Maggie became an elite-level gymnast by the age of 13. 75 00:03:32.590 --> 00:03:35.704 align:middle line:90% A year later, she made it onto the U.S. National Team. 76 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.740 align:middle line:90% And that's when she started training at the famous Károlyi Ranch, 77 00:03:39.750 --> 00:03:42.940 align:middle line:90% the USA Gymnastics national training facility at the time. 78 00:03:43.572 --> 00:03:46.789 align:middle line:90% Being invited to the Károlyi Ranch, I was over the moon. 79 00:03:46.789 --> 00:03:50.960 align:middle line:90% I mean, that is where champions train, Olympians are made. 80 00:03:50.970 --> 00:03:52.570 align:middle line:90% So, I was so excited to go 81 00:03:52.580 --> 00:03:55.308 align:middle line:90% and to be surrounded by such amazing gymnasts. 82 00:03:55.529 --> 00:03:58.107 align:middle line:90% The ranch was run by Béla and Márta Károlyi, 83 00:03:58.107 --> 00:04:01.387 align:middle line:90% legendary coordinators and coaches of the national team, 84 00:04:01.623 --> 00:04:04.919 align:middle line:90% two people known for their harsh and punishing coaching philosophy. 85 00:04:05.327 --> 00:04:09.606 align:middle line:90% Maggie, who was 14 at the time, quickly realized just how cut off 86 00:04:09.606 --> 00:04:11.600 align:middle line:90% from the rest of the world the Károlyi Ranch was. 87 00:04:11.869 --> 00:04:15.860 align:middle line:90% It is in, like, a very isolated part of Texas. 88 00:04:16.200 --> 00:04:18.798 align:middle line:90% Um, the cell service is really not good there. 89 00:04:18.809 --> 00:04:22.768 align:middle line:90% I didn't have barely any service at all to call my parents. 90 00:04:22.768 --> 00:04:24.053 align:middle line:90% So, that was a bit difficult. 91 00:04:24.556 --> 00:04:27.969 align:middle line:90% It was also around this time that people like Márta Károlyi 92 00:04:27.969 --> 00:04:30.320 align:middle line:90% started making comments about Maggie's weight. 93 00:04:30.329 --> 00:04:33.480 align:middle line:90% They brought up my body and how I needed to get leaner 94 00:04:33.489 --> 00:04:34.799 align:middle line:90% and, you know, lose weight. 95 00:04:34.799 --> 00:04:36.380 align:middle line:90% So, that's when I started seeing a trainer, 96 00:04:36.390 --> 00:04:39.320 align:middle line:90% and I also was given a nutrition plan. 97 00:04:39.609 --> 00:04:42.093 align:middle line:90% And it would say on there, like, no added carbs, 98 00:04:42.093 --> 00:04:44.029 align:middle line:90% so that would mean, like, no vegetables. 99 00:04:44.029 --> 00:04:46.820 align:middle line:90% So, I would literally wake up, I think I would eat egg whites, 100 00:04:46.829 --> 00:04:50.029 align:middle line:90% and then I would have, like, chicken breast for lunch and dinner. 101 00:04:50.260 --> 00:04:53.450 align:middle line:90% I followed that nutrition plan to a T. 102 00:04:53.459 --> 00:04:59.230 align:middle line:90% I would measure everything so perfectly because I wanted to look the part. 103 00:04:59.239 --> 00:05:03.511 align:middle line:90% I wanted to show everybody that I want to be the best. 104 00:05:03.511 --> 00:05:06.440 align:middle line:90% And so, I followed that plan, and I was disciplined with it 105 00:05:06.450 --> 00:05:08.679 align:middle line:90% because I thought that's what was gonna make me a champion. 106 00:05:09.330 --> 00:05:10.910 align:middle line:90% Maggie lost a ton of weight. 107 00:05:10.992 --> 00:05:12.899 align:middle line:90% She got smaller than she had ever been, 108 00:05:12.910 --> 00:05:16.029 align:middle line:90% but she was constantly hungry and lacked the energy 109 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.950 align:middle line:90% an elite athlete needs to train, compete, and keep her body safe. 110 00:05:20.127 --> 00:05:22.102 align:middle line:90% She told me about one particularly bad injury. 111 00:05:22.102 --> 00:05:22.602 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT] 112 00:05:23.377 --> 00:05:26.341 align:middle line:90% That was in 2014, 113 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.023 align:middle line:90% and it was our third rotation of the competition. 114 00:05:29.023 --> 00:05:30.332 align:middle line:90% It was the team final. 115 00:05:30.452 --> 00:05:33.829 align:middle line:90% And I landed my last pass, and while I landed, 116 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:35.901 align:middle line:90% my left kneecap dislocated. 117 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.201 align:middle line:90% And I finished the routine, finished the pose, 118 00:05:39.388 --> 00:05:41.549 align:middle line:90% and we still had one more rotation after that. 119 00:05:41.570 --> 00:05:45.299 align:middle line:90% And I, I don't know what was going through my head, 120 00:05:45.309 --> 00:05:47.010 align:middle line:90% but I was like, I'm finishing the meet. 121 00:05:47.019 --> 00:05:48.769 align:middle line:90% Like, I'm not letting this stop me. 122 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:51.350 align:middle line:90% I'm not gonna show that I am gonna back down. 123 00:05:51.359 --> 00:05:52.856 align:middle line:90% I'm gonna help the team win the gold medal. 124 00:05:52.856 --> 00:05:55.579 align:middle line:90% And so, my kneecap dislocated, popped back into place, 125 00:05:55.589 --> 00:05:57.049 align:middle line:90% and I ended up doing vault. 126 00:05:57.059 --> 00:06:01.010 align:middle line:90% I competed a prominent leg event after I dislocated my kneecap. 127 00:06:01.019 --> 00:06:04.922 align:middle line:90% And, um, once I landed, I barely could even walk. 128 00:06:04.922 --> 00:06:06.679 align:middle line:90% I had to be flown home for an MRI 129 00:06:06.690 --> 00:06:10.581 align:middle line:90% and then ultimately got another big knee surgery 130 00:06:10.581 --> 00:06:13.119 align:middle line:90% where they put a cadaver ligament in my knee. 131 00:06:13.359 --> 00:06:16.366 align:middle line:90% But like, when I look back at that injury, I just… 132 00:06:16.838 --> 00:06:18.390 align:middle line:90% I can't even believe that I did that. 133 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.779 align:middle line:90% I can't believe I did another event after I hurt myself that badly. 134 00:06:22.220 --> 00:06:27.682 align:middle line:90% But I just truly always wanted to give my best to Team USA 135 00:06:27.682 --> 00:06:31.410 align:middle line:90% and help them, you know, win gold medals. 136 00:06:31.859 --> 00:06:36.023 align:middle line:90% It was after an injury that Maggie was first abused by Larry Nassar. 137 00:06:36.553 --> 00:06:40.269 align:middle line:90% I was at a World selection camp, which was at the Károlyi Ranch. 138 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:42.980 align:middle line:90% And I actually threw my back out. 139 00:06:43.500 --> 00:06:46.084 align:middle line:90% And I was, like, barely able to touch my toes. 140 00:06:46.084 --> 00:06:51.326 align:middle line:90% And obviously, when you have that pain, you can't perform at your highest level. 141 00:06:51.559 --> 00:06:53.019 align:middle line:90% And so, I was treated by Larry. 142 00:06:53.029 --> 00:06:56.739 align:middle line:90% And brought me into the training room, closed the blinds, 143 00:06:56.750 --> 00:06:59.788 align:middle line:90% and performed his quote unquote "treatment." 144 00:07:00.500 --> 00:07:04.190 align:middle line:90% And I was, like, so uncomfortable, obviously. 145 00:07:04.200 --> 00:07:07.190 align:middle line:90% And I'm so young at this point. 146 00:07:07.369 --> 00:07:10.630 align:middle line:90% And it was just the absolute worst experience 147 00:07:10.640 --> 00:07:11.829 align:middle line:90% of my entire life. 148 00:07:12.230 --> 00:07:15.470 align:middle line:90% And we were always told that, you know, Larry's the best doctor, 149 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.549 align:middle line:90% he's the best U.S.A. doctor, um, to trust him, 150 00:07:18.559 --> 00:07:21.230 align:middle line:90% to trust what he's doing, he's gonna help you feel better. 151 00:07:22.440 --> 00:07:25.944 align:middle line:90% But that's just not the truth at all, 152 00:07:25.944 --> 00:07:28.320 align:middle line:90% and it was the absolute worst experience of my life. 153 00:07:29.149 --> 00:07:31.420 align:middle line:90% Obviously, I, I can't imagine, 154 00:07:31.420 --> 00:07:33.362 align:middle line:90% and I'm so sorry that you've gone through that horror. 155 00:07:33.500 --> 00:07:36.029 align:middle line:90% Um, so, you're how old at this point? 156 00:07:36.049 --> 00:07:38.429 align:middle line:90% Yeah, I was like 15. Yeah, so young. 157 00:07:38.570 --> 00:07:40.559 align:middle line:90% You're the first athlete on the national team 158 00:07:40.570 --> 00:07:44.010 align:middle line:90% to report to USA Gymnastics what Larry Nassar was doing. 159 00:07:44.019 --> 00:07:45.380 align:middle line:90% And that was in 2015. 160 00:07:45.380 --> 00:07:46.082 align:middle line:90% Mm-hmm. 161 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:48.489 align:middle line:90% And then, you, you keep competing. 162 00:07:48.500 --> 00:07:51.519 align:middle line:90% I mean, in the course of, of the following year 163 00:07:51.529 --> 00:07:54.049 align:middle line:90% after, you know, you knew this was reported, 164 00:07:54.059 --> 00:07:58.000 align:middle line:90% your parents knew this had been reported to USA Gymnastics. 165 00:07:58.010 --> 00:08:02.250 align:middle line:90% You keep competing and, and actually reach the Olympic Trials 166 00:08:02.260 --> 00:08:05.359 align:middle line:90% the, the following year, even though you had more injuries. 167 00:08:05.630 --> 00:08:09.690 align:middle line:90% What was that year like in terms of, of what you had experienced, 168 00:08:09.700 --> 00:08:13.489 align:middle line:90% but also still wanting to fulfill your dream of, of getting to the Olympics? 169 00:08:14.665 --> 00:08:17.269 align:middle line:90% Yeah, um, it was a lot. 170 00:08:17.329 --> 00:08:20.380 align:middle line:90% In 2015, I really had my breakout year 171 00:08:20.390 --> 00:08:23.940 align:middle line:90% and had probably the best year of my gymnastics career. 172 00:08:24.010 --> 00:08:25.940 align:middle line:90% I made the World Championship team 173 00:08:25.950 --> 00:08:29.200 align:middle line:90% after that huge knee surgery that I had in 2014. 174 00:08:29.570 --> 00:08:32.150 align:middle line:90% We won the team gold as a team, 175 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.340 align:middle line:90% and then I won the bronze on floor exercise. 176 00:08:34.349 --> 00:08:38.664 align:middle line:90% So, I was so proud of myself for making it to Worlds 177 00:08:38.664 --> 00:08:42.558 align:middle line:90% and to, you know, get two medals and to help the team win the gold medal. 178 00:08:42.729 --> 00:08:46.070 align:middle line:90% And then after 2015, having, you know, being at my peak, 179 00:08:47.112 --> 00:08:49.506 align:middle line:90% [SIGHS] I qualified to another international competition 180 00:08:49.506 --> 00:08:51.090 align:middle line:90% called the Pac Rim Championships, 181 00:08:51.099 --> 00:08:53.150 align:middle line:90% and it was the day before we were traveling, 182 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.610 align:middle line:90% um, I was doing vault, and landed, 183 00:08:55.610 --> 00:08:58.169 align:middle line:90% hurt my other knee, tore something in my other knee, 184 00:08:58.530 --> 00:09:00.429 align:middle line:90% um, again, had to be flown home. 185 00:09:00.719 --> 00:09:01.849 align:middle line:90% Surgery again. 186 00:09:01.859 --> 00:09:04.059 align:middle line:90% Um, and this was in the beginning of 2016. 187 00:09:04.070 --> 00:09:07.628 align:middle line:90% So, not too far away from Olympic Trials. 188 00:09:07.628 --> 00:09:09.590 align:middle line:90% And that was probably one of the worst things 189 00:09:09.599 --> 00:09:11.163 align:middle line:90% that could have happened at that point. 190 00:09:11.163 --> 00:09:14.500 align:middle line:90% Um, you know, had to get another surgery, had to take some more time off. 191 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.387 align:middle line:90% But you know, that still, that goal was to, you know, 192 00:09:17.387 --> 00:09:19.690 align:middle line:90% make it to Olympic Trials, make the Olympic team. 193 00:09:19.785 --> 00:09:24.955 align:middle line:90% So, I did everything I possibly could to get as strong as I possibly could get. 194 00:09:25.154 --> 00:09:28.890 align:middle line:90% But, again, I was so fixated on being small 195 00:09:28.900 --> 00:09:32.130 align:middle line:90% and getting to the lowest weight that I could. 196 00:09:32.330 --> 00:09:36.510 align:middle line:90% So, I would only eat broccoli. It was just the craziest thing. 197 00:09:36.510 --> 00:09:39.656 align:middle line:90% I don't know. But in my head, I was like, "This is what's gonna help me." 198 00:09:39.656 --> 00:09:43.084 align:middle line:90% And so, I would literally only eat broccoli before practice, 199 00:09:43.084 --> 00:09:45.429 align:middle line:90% and then I'd go to practice and this and that. 200 00:09:45.429 --> 00:09:47.743 align:middle line:90% But that year was a lot for me. 201 00:09:47.743 --> 00:09:49.690 align:middle line:90% Again, the injury really brought me down. 202 00:09:49.700 --> 00:09:52.214 align:middle line:90% And then also, the Larry stuff in the back of my mind, 203 00:09:52.214 --> 00:09:53.809 align:middle line:90% wondering what's going on. 204 00:09:54.710 --> 00:09:56.440 align:middle line:90% Ultimately, it was a very challenging year. 205 00:09:56.450 --> 00:09:59.584 align:middle line:90% I made it to Olympic Trials, placed sixth in the all-around, 206 00:09:59.584 --> 00:10:02.679 align:middle line:90% um, didn't quite make the Olympic Team or an alternate spot, 207 00:10:02.690 --> 00:10:07.520 align:middle line:90% but really thankful I got the opportunity to compete there and live out that dream. 208 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.179 align:middle line:90% As you were approaching the Olympic Trials, 209 00:10:11.179 --> 00:10:15.799 align:middle line:90% um, you wrote about that you and your parents were getting the feeling 210 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:19.675 align:middle line:90% that you were being treated differently after, you know, 211 00:10:19.837 --> 00:10:22.489 align:middle line:90% being the first athlete to report Larry Nassar. 212 00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:24.570 align:middle line:90% What, what, what did, what was that feeling? 213 00:10:24.580 --> 00:10:26.756 align:middle line:90% What, what was happening that made you feel like something was up? 214 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.364 align:middle line:90% Yeah. So, like, at Olympic Trials, 215 00:10:29.499 --> 00:10:31.958 align:middle line:90% Márta wasn't really giving me much attention. 216 00:10:31.958 --> 00:10:33.428 align:middle line:90% Márta Károlyi. She, she's like the… 217 00:10:33.428 --> 00:10:34.080 align:middle line:90% Márta Károlyi. 218 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.623 align:middle line:90% …the legendary, uh, head of everything, it sounds like. 219 00:10:36.623 --> 00:10:39.440 align:middle line:90% USA, yeah. Márta and Béla. Yes. 220 00:10:39.450 --> 00:10:42.570 align:middle line:90% Um, so, like at Olympic Trials, 221 00:10:42.580 --> 00:10:44.609 align:middle line:90% she wasn't really watching a lot of my gymnastics 222 00:10:44.619 --> 00:10:46.500 align:middle line:90% or talking to me and my coach, 223 00:10:46.510 --> 00:10:50.539 align:middle line:90% which usually she would because I was on the U.S.A. National Team. 224 00:10:50.549 --> 00:10:53.190 align:middle line:90% Obviously, just won that World Championship with the team. 225 00:10:53.690 --> 00:10:57.309 align:middle line:90% So, I thought things were weird, and so did my coach. 226 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.799 align:middle line:90% And I know I just had that knee injury, but I was still there, 227 00:11:00.809 --> 00:11:04.729 align:middle line:90% and I was still doing all of my skills that I was doing at World Championships, 228 00:11:04.739 --> 00:11:06.586 align:middle line:90% other than my Amânar on vault. 229 00:11:06.804 --> 00:11:09.960 align:middle line:90% So, I was kind of a little bit concerned about that. 230 00:11:10.134 --> 00:11:13.200 align:middle line:90% But again, I just tried to brush it off and to do my training. 231 00:11:14.140 --> 00:11:17.739 align:middle line:90% Do you connect the change in, in how you were being treated 232 00:11:17.750 --> 00:11:21.615 align:middle line:90% to the fact that you had come forward, um, and that the Károlyis 233 00:11:21.615 --> 00:11:24.927 align:middle line:90% and, you know, Steve Penny, who, who had headed USA Gymnastics, 234 00:11:24.927 --> 00:11:27.827 align:middle line:90% like they all knew that you had, had reported Larry Nassar? 235 00:11:29.043 --> 00:11:33.250 align:middle line:90% Um, you know, I, I hope they made the decisions 236 00:11:33.260 --> 00:11:34.786 align:middle line:90% based on the right reasons. 237 00:11:35.650 --> 00:11:37.728 align:middle line:90% But, I mean, it is hard to think about that. 238 00:11:38.497 --> 00:11:41.694 align:middle line:90% That could be a huge reason of why certain things happened. 239 00:11:43.030 --> 00:11:46.390 align:middle line:90% So, one of those things was you, you didn't make the Olympics, 240 00:11:46.400 --> 00:11:49.369 align:middle line:90% even though your performance at the trials seemed pretty solid, 241 00:11:49.380 --> 00:11:50.712 align:middle line:90% that you, you… 242 00:11:50.712 --> 00:11:53.800 align:middle line:90% Well, it seemed like you should have been at least an alternate. Um… 243 00:11:53.800 --> 00:11:54.533 align:middle line:90% Mm-hmm. 244 00:11:55.205 --> 00:11:58.219 align:middle line:90% What was that moment like when your name wasn't announced? 245 00:11:58.429 --> 00:12:01.869 align:middle line:90% So, I place sixth in the all-around, and five girls go, 246 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.700 align:middle line:90% and then I think it's two or three alternates. 247 00:12:05.299 --> 00:12:08.400 align:middle line:90% And we were in that room with the whole national team, 248 00:12:08.409 --> 00:12:12.349 align:middle line:90% everyone who just competed, coaches, and then obviously the national staff. 249 00:12:12.349 --> 00:12:16.320 align:middle line:90% And when they walked in, I was… I just had a great performance. 250 00:12:16.330 --> 00:12:18.369 align:middle line:90% My second day of competition was great. 251 00:12:18.380 --> 00:12:22.230 align:middle line:90% I was so excited and felt like I would, you know, 252 00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:25.489 align:middle line:90% make it at least as an alternate or as an alternate. 253 00:12:25.989 --> 00:12:30.416 align:middle line:90% And when they announced all the names and my name wasn't, you know, 254 00:12:30.416 --> 00:12:32.944 align:middle line:90% said out loud for an alternate spot or anything, 255 00:12:33.604 --> 00:12:35.969 align:middle line:90% I honestly, I don't even know. 256 00:12:35.979 --> 00:12:40.780 align:middle line:90% I was-- felt so many different emotions. I felt, you know, sad. 257 00:12:40.789 --> 00:12:44.035 align:middle line:90% I mean, my dream of going to the Olympics was over at that point. 258 00:12:44.390 --> 00:12:46.159 align:middle line:90% It was definitely a very hard moment. 259 00:12:46.169 --> 00:12:48.659 align:middle line:90% I mean, you work your whole life for something, 260 00:12:48.669 --> 00:12:50.650 align:middle line:90% and then it's over in like five seconds. 261 00:12:50.650 --> 00:12:51.150 align:middle line:90% [CONTEMPLATIVE MUSIC] 262 00:12:51.942 --> 00:12:53.409 align:middle line:90% After that disappointment, 263 00:12:53.419 --> 00:12:56.789 align:middle line:90% Maggie knew almost immediately what she wanted to do next. 264 00:12:56.997 --> 00:12:59.450 align:middle line:90% She had already committed to the University of Oklahoma 265 00:12:59.460 --> 00:13:01.130 align:middle line:90% to join their gymnastics team. 266 00:13:01.140 --> 00:13:02.169 align:middle line:90% But originally, 267 00:13:02.299 --> 00:13:04.862 align:middle line:90% she had planned to defer a semester before beginning school. 268 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.320 align:middle line:90% I think it was like the week after not making the Olympic team, 269 00:13:08.330 --> 00:13:13.931 align:middle line:90% I called K.J., the head coach of Oklahoma, and I asked her if I could come now, 270 00:13:14.411 --> 00:13:16.770 align:middle line:90% [CHUCKLES] um, and not defer a semester, 271 00:13:17.359 --> 00:13:19.729 align:middle line:90% and that was probably the best decision I ever made. 272 00:13:20.099 --> 00:13:22.280 align:middle line:90% I went in August of 2016, 273 00:13:22.289 --> 00:13:25.200 align:middle line:90% so like a month or so after Olympic Trials, 274 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:27.869 align:middle line:90% and started my new journey there. 275 00:13:28.429 --> 00:13:32.090 align:middle line:90% Maggie felt immediately welcomed onto the campus and the team 276 00:13:32.099 --> 00:13:33.049 align:middle line:90% when she arrived. 277 00:13:33.239 --> 00:13:34.809 align:middle line:90% It was such a different environment 278 00:13:34.820 --> 00:13:37.336 align:middle line:90% than what she had experienced at the Károlyi Ranch. 279 00:13:37.431 --> 00:13:42.010 align:middle line:90% And she ultimately went on to become one of the best collegiate gymnasts ever, 280 00:13:42.020 --> 00:13:45.840 align:middle line:90% winning two team championships and six individual championship titles. 281 00:13:46.359 --> 00:13:50.039 align:middle line:90% A few of my favorite memories of my whole life so far 282 00:13:50.049 --> 00:13:53.090 align:middle line:90% is being at NCAA Championships with my team 283 00:13:53.099 --> 00:13:55.140 align:middle line:90% and taking home that big trophy. 284 00:13:55.265 --> 00:13:56.476 align:middle line:90% It was, like, the best. 285 00:13:57.411 --> 00:14:02.119 align:middle line:90% But as her career was getting started at Oklahoma in September of 2016, 286 00:14:02.630 --> 00:14:05.710 align:middle line:90% Larry Nassar's abuse was made known to the public 287 00:14:05.871 --> 00:14:08.163 align:middle line:90% by the local newspaper "The Indianapolis Star." 288 00:14:08.619 --> 00:14:11.520 align:middle line:90% When the story broke, 15 months had passed 289 00:14:11.626 --> 00:14:14.820 align:middle line:90% since Maggie first reported Nassar to USA Gymnastics. 290 00:14:15.049 --> 00:14:18.717 align:middle line:90% And in that time, Nassar allegedly sexually abused 291 00:14:18.717 --> 00:14:21.359 align:middle line:90% at least 70 or more young athletes. 292 00:14:21.766 --> 00:14:25.219 align:middle line:90% Nassar was ultimately arrested, tried, and convicted. 293 00:14:25.452 --> 00:14:30.049 align:middle line:90% Throughout the state and federal trials, Maggie was known as Athlete A. 294 00:14:30.675 --> 00:14:33.954 align:middle line:90% A few days before Nassar was set to be sentenced in state court 295 00:14:33.954 --> 00:14:37.289 align:middle line:90% in January of 2018, she decided to go public. 296 00:14:37.890 --> 00:14:41.250 align:middle line:90% When other girls were coming out publicly, it empowered me, 297 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:44.489 align:middle line:90% and it, it helped me, and it helped me feel not alone. 298 00:14:44.500 --> 00:14:46.830 align:middle line:90% And so, I felt like if I came out publicly, 299 00:14:46.950 --> 00:14:49.539 align:middle line:90% it would help somebody else and empower other people, 300 00:14:49.549 --> 00:14:51.210 align:middle line:90% and I am glad that I did. 301 00:14:51.219 --> 00:14:53.469 align:middle line:90% I feel like it helped a lot of other people. 302 00:14:53.479 --> 00:14:54.989 align:middle line:90% And it ultimately helped me as well 303 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.349 align:middle line:90% because I had a lot of support and a lot of people reach out. 304 00:14:58.349 --> 00:14:58.849 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT] 305 00:14:59.847 --> 00:15:01.530 align:middle line:90% At Nassar's sentencing hearing, 306 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:05.931 align:middle line:90% survivors of his abuse were allowed to give victim impact statements. 307 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.340 align:middle line:90% Maggie's mom read a statement on her behalf. 308 00:15:08.340 --> 00:15:08.840 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT] 309 00:15:09.217 --> 00:15:09.717 align:middle line:90% [START WDIV ARCHIVAL CLIP] 310 00:15:09.717 --> 00:15:12.871 align:middle line:90% "He didn't tell me what he was doing, and there was no one else in the room. 311 00:15:12.871 --> 00:15:14.491 align:middle line:90% And I accepted what he was doing 312 00:15:14.491 --> 00:15:18.830 align:middle line:90% because I was told by the adults in charge at the U.S. Olympic Training Center 313 00:15:19.070 --> 00:15:21.802 align:middle line:90% that I should receive help from him." 314 00:15:21.802 --> 00:15:22.302 align:middle line:90% [END WDIV ARCHIVAL CLIP] 315 00:15:22.302 --> 00:15:25.127 align:middle line:90% Maggie's mom also gave her own statement. 316 00:15:25.238 --> 00:15:25.738 align:middle line:90% [START WDIV ARCHIVAL CLIP] 317 00:15:25.738 --> 00:15:27.780 align:middle line:90% My daughter was at the Olympic Training Center 318 00:15:27.780 --> 00:15:29.441 align:middle line:90% one week a month for years. 319 00:15:29.441 --> 00:15:33.328 align:middle line:90% We sent a child across the country to train, 320 00:15:33.543 --> 00:15:37.359 align:middle line:90% to try and make-- to be on the U.S.A. team and represent our country. 321 00:15:37.369 --> 00:15:38.140 align:middle line:90% A child. 322 00:15:38.849 --> 00:15:40.989 align:middle line:90% And she was not protected whatsoever. 323 00:15:40.989 --> 00:15:41.489 align:middle line:90% [END WDIV ARCHIVAL CLIP] 324 00:15:41.509 --> 00:15:42.009 align:middle line:90% [PENSIVE MUSIC] 325 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.179 align:middle line:90% In the wake of Nassar's abuse coming to light, 326 00:15:47.190 --> 00:15:50.130 align:middle line:90% some major changes were made at USA Gymnastics. 327 00:15:50.429 --> 00:15:52.890 align:middle line:90% The entire board of directors was forced out, 328 00:15:53.020 --> 00:15:56.369 align:middle line:90% and USAG named a new CEO and President in 2019. 329 00:15:57.115 --> 00:15:59.919 align:middle line:90% The organization also overhauled its leadership structure, 330 00:15:59.929 --> 00:16:03.968 align:middle line:90% which included bringing former gymnasts into leadership positions. 331 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.010 align:middle line:90% But some argue, there hasn't been sufficient accountability. 332 00:16:08.119 --> 00:16:11.109 align:middle line:90% In a scathing report, the U.S. Inspector General found 333 00:16:11.119 --> 00:16:12.780 align:middle line:90% that the FBI, quote, 334 00:16:13.190 --> 00:16:15.710 align:middle line:90% "failed to respond to the Nassar allegations 335 00:16:15.719 --> 00:16:20.612 align:middle line:90% with the utmost seriousness and urgency that they deserved and required, 336 00:16:21.013 --> 00:16:24.619 align:middle line:90% made numerous and fundamental errors when they did respond to them, 337 00:16:24.630 --> 00:16:28.539 align:middle line:90% and violated multiple FBI policies." End quote. 338 00:16:29.857 --> 00:16:33.789 align:middle line:90% Two United States Olympic & Paralympic Committee officials 339 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:35.320 align:middle line:90% stepped down from their positions, 340 00:16:35.619 --> 00:16:38.270 align:middle line:90% but criminal charges have never been brought against them 341 00:16:38.280 --> 00:16:39.460 align:middle line:90% or any official there. 342 00:16:40.461 --> 00:16:44.299 align:middle line:90% Charges were brought against the former USAG CEO and President 343 00:16:44.309 --> 00:16:46.049 align:middle line:90% as well as a USAG trainer, 344 00:16:46.609 --> 00:16:48.360 align:middle line:90% but those charges were eventually dropped. 345 00:16:49.385 --> 00:16:51.133 align:middle line:90% As for Márta and Béla Károlyi, 346 00:16:51.541 --> 00:16:54.198 align:middle line:90% they eventually sold their ranch and left the country. 347 00:16:54.332 --> 00:16:56.030 align:middle line:90% Their whereabouts are currently unknown. 348 00:16:56.219 --> 00:16:57.789 align:middle line:90% And they were never charged with a crime. 349 00:16:59.330 --> 00:17:02.630 align:middle line:90% I asked Maggie what justice looks like for her today. 350 00:17:02.630 --> 00:17:03.130 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT] 351 00:17:03.630 --> 00:17:06.729 align:middle line:90% You know, when I think about that and how they hid it for so long 352 00:17:06.739 --> 00:17:11.130 align:middle line:90% and how so many other athletes were abused after we reported it, 353 00:17:11.918 --> 00:17:16.930 align:middle line:90% it's scary, it's heartbreaking, it's horrible, disgusting. 354 00:17:17.013 --> 00:17:19.420 align:middle line:90% It's just scary to even think about that happened, 355 00:17:19.430 --> 00:17:22.439 align:middle line:90% and the accountability was just not there. 356 00:17:22.449 --> 00:17:25.439 align:middle line:90% I mean, we were told that everything was being taken care of, 357 00:17:25.449 --> 00:17:28.859 align:middle line:90% that, "Don't worry. We're taking care of it," this and that, 358 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.773 align:middle line:90% and nothing was being taken care of behind the scenes, 359 00:17:31.773 --> 00:17:34.246 align:middle line:90% and so many other athletes were being abused. 360 00:17:34.246 --> 00:17:36.939 align:middle line:90% And it's just really horrible. 361 00:17:37.854 --> 00:17:42.010 align:middle line:90% So, I think continuing to talk about it, continuing to educate people 362 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:45.209 align:middle line:90% will help that issue and to help it never happen again, 363 00:17:45.689 --> 00:17:47.417 align:middle line:90% and holding everybody accountable. 364 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.550 align:middle line:90% Yeah, I wonder about the culture in USA Gymnastics. 365 00:17:52.560 --> 00:17:55.059 align:middle line:90% Um, a fellow elite gymnast, Jennifer Sey, 366 00:17:55.059 --> 00:17:57.270 align:middle line:90% who was part of the Netflix documentary, "Athlete A," 367 00:17:57.280 --> 00:17:59.960 align:middle line:90% that was about you and this whole story, you know, 368 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:04.670 align:middle line:90% she seemed to suggest that there are so many other different kinds of abuse, 369 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:05.619 align:middle line:90% or there were. 370 00:18:05.630 --> 00:18:08.510 align:middle line:90% I mean, thinking about just the strict regimens 371 00:18:08.520 --> 00:18:11.734 align:middle line:90% that we talked about and, and the food and the dieting 372 00:18:11.734 --> 00:18:13.035 align:middle line:90% and, and everything, 373 00:18:13.035 --> 00:18:17.310 align:middle line:90% that it almost lays the foundation for something like sexual abuse 374 00:18:17.310 --> 00:18:20.859 align:middle line:90% to be harder to seem extraordinary. 375 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.719 align:middle line:90% Is that the world that you feel you experienced? 376 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:26.380 align:middle line:90% I mean, every athlete is so different. 377 00:18:26.390 --> 00:18:30.859 align:middle line:90% Yeah, I definitely think that gymnastics is taking steps in the right direction. 378 00:18:30.869 --> 00:18:35.729 align:middle line:90% I believe, and I pray, that, you know, they are continuing to make that change, 379 00:18:35.739 --> 00:18:37.910 align:middle line:90% that nothing like this ever happens again, 380 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.199 align:middle line:90% and that the athletes are in safe environments, 381 00:18:40.209 --> 00:18:42.670 align:middle line:90% and there's always a trusted adult with the athlete 382 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.290 align:middle line:90% during physical therapy, doctor's appointments, 383 00:18:45.709 --> 00:18:47.760 align:middle line:90% but also making it a more positive environment 384 00:18:47.770 --> 00:18:49.000 align:middle line:90% with body image, 385 00:18:49.010 --> 00:18:52.439 align:middle line:90% educating the athletes on what food is fuel, 386 00:18:52.449 --> 00:18:54.890 align:middle line:90% what food is going to make them the strongest 387 00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:59.010 align:middle line:90% so they compete at the optimal level, have the most energy, 388 00:18:59.020 --> 00:19:02.449 align:middle line:90% and just feel their absolute best to prevent injury 389 00:19:02.459 --> 00:19:04.650 align:middle line:90% and to compete at their best level. 390 00:19:04.893 --> 00:19:06.489 align:middle line:90% So, I think I think it's going in the right direction, 391 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:09.770 align:middle line:90% but I truly believe that there are things that we need to continue to talk about, 392 00:19:09.780 --> 00:19:11.011 align:middle line:90% continue to educate on. 393 00:19:11.900 --> 00:19:14.280 align:middle line:90% You wrote something that really stuck with me in the book. 394 00:19:14.290 --> 00:19:16.920 align:middle line:90% You said, "If I was meant to call out Larry Nassar 395 00:19:16.930 --> 00:19:20.528 align:middle line:90% more than I was meant to be ranked internationally as an all-around-er, 396 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:21.893 align:middle line:90% I'm okay with that." 397 00:19:22.549 --> 00:19:23.931 align:middle line:90% How did you get to that place? 398 00:19:23.931 --> 00:19:25.689 align:middle line:90% I mean, after fighting for so many years 399 00:19:25.699 --> 00:19:28.553 align:middle line:90% to be an Olympian and kind of what you went through, 400 00:19:28.553 --> 00:19:30.673 align:middle line:90% like, how have you found peace in that sort of way? 401 00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:32.569 align:middle line:90% Just because it was the right thing, 402 00:19:32.579 --> 00:19:36.180 align:middle line:90% and so many people were being abused by him. 403 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.290 align:middle line:90% And if I wouldn't have said anything, 404 00:19:39.356 --> 00:19:41.349 align:middle line:90% who knows what would be happening right now 405 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.833 align:middle line:90% and who knows how many other people would be abused by him. 406 00:19:45.540 --> 00:19:47.859 align:middle line:90% And so, I believe that I did the right thing. 407 00:19:47.869 --> 00:19:50.882 align:middle line:90% And I'm thankful that I spoke up and said something. 408 00:19:50.882 --> 00:19:53.711 align:middle line:90% I just believe that I did the right thing, and I'm glad that I did. 409 00:19:54.251 --> 00:19:56.500 align:middle line:90% You use the term "role model" in your book. 410 00:19:56.510 --> 00:19:59.319 align:middle line:90% Tell me more about the role model you feel like you want to be. 411 00:20:00.260 --> 00:20:03.689 align:middle line:90% I just hope that gymnasts or other athletes, 412 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:08.134 align:middle line:90% no matter what age, look up to me for many different reasons. 413 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.410 align:middle line:90% Obviously, my story was a lot of ups and a lot of downs. 414 00:20:12.420 --> 00:20:14.569 align:middle line:90% I went through so many injuries. 415 00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:16.609 align:middle line:90% I feel like a big part of my story 416 00:20:16.619 --> 00:20:19.910 align:middle line:90% is overcoming obstacles with a positive outlook 417 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.189 align:middle line:90% and never giving up on your dreams 418 00:20:22.199 --> 00:20:24.810 align:middle line:90% because your resilience is so much stronger 419 00:20:24.819 --> 00:20:26.209 align:middle line:90% than you truly think it is. 420 00:20:26.596 --> 00:20:28.430 align:middle line:90% So, I hope people look up to me for that. 421 00:20:28.439 --> 00:20:33.486 align:middle line:90% And then, also, just look up to me for being an advocate for others 422 00:20:33.486 --> 00:20:37.589 align:middle line:90% and for showing strength in hard situations. 423 00:20:38.300 --> 00:20:40.959 align:middle line:90% And what's next for Maggie Nichols in the next five years or so? 424 00:20:40.969 --> 00:20:41.986 align:middle line:90% Uh, lots. 425 00:20:41.986 --> 00:20:44.839 align:middle line:90% Um, so I'm a certified personal trainer. 426 00:20:44.849 --> 00:20:47.719 align:middle line:90% And so, I have an online app 427 00:20:47.729 --> 00:20:50.819 align:middle line:90% that I add workout programs and workouts to. 428 00:20:50.829 --> 00:20:52.400 align:middle line:90% So, I'm really passionate about that. 429 00:20:52.410 --> 00:20:55.560 align:middle line:90% So, hoping to grow that in the next couple of years. 430 00:20:55.569 --> 00:20:59.900 align:middle line:90% And then, I also have a competition series that I have around the U.S. 431 00:20:59.900 --> 00:21:01.910 align:middle line:90% called the We Are Strong with Maggie Nichols. 432 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:03.619 align:middle line:90% And along with that competition, 433 00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:07.979 align:middle line:90% I have my non-profit organization called the Maggie Nichols Foundation, 434 00:21:07.989 --> 00:21:10.360 align:middle line:90% which supports victims of all types of abuse. 435 00:21:10.745 --> 00:21:13.000 align:middle line:90% So, hoping to continue that 436 00:21:13.010 --> 00:21:16.867 align:middle line:90% and I guess to see where the wind blows me after that. [LAUGHS] 437 00:21:17.469 --> 00:21:19.849 align:middle line:90% And what's your relationship like to gymnastics today? 438 00:21:20.317 --> 00:21:22.250 align:middle line:90% My relationship with gymnastics is great. 439 00:21:22.260 --> 00:21:24.609 align:middle line:90% I know that what has happened to me, 440 00:21:24.619 --> 00:21:28.369 align:middle line:90% all the dark times happened with the sport of gymnastics, 441 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:31.560 align:middle line:90% but gymnastics is such a beautiful sport. 442 00:21:31.569 --> 00:21:35.680 align:middle line:90% It grows athletes into such strong and resilient people. 443 00:21:35.930 --> 00:21:38.369 align:middle line:90% And so, gymnastics was kind of always like my outlet, 444 00:21:38.380 --> 00:21:41.359 align:middle line:90% being able to train, being able to reach towards my goals 445 00:21:41.369 --> 00:21:45.569 align:middle line:90% and train with my teammates kind of helped me during those hard times. 446 00:21:45.819 --> 00:21:48.250 align:middle line:90% So, I love the sport of gymnastics. I love watching it. 447 00:21:48.260 --> 00:21:51.829 align:middle line:90% I love, you know, supporting all the gymnasts now. 448 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.089 align:middle line:90% And I have that gymnastics competition, 449 00:21:54.099 --> 00:21:57.790 align:middle line:90% so I love going to those and making it a very positive environment 450 00:21:57.800 --> 00:22:01.060 align:middle line:90% and helping the girls become the best athletes that they possibly can. 451 00:22:01.060 --> 00:22:01.560 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES IN] 452 00:22:01.742 --> 00:22:05.242 align:middle line:90% Maggie, thank you so much for taking the time to share your story 453 00:22:05.890 --> 00:22:07.620 align:middle line:90% and your reflections on all of this. 454 00:22:07.923 --> 00:22:09.210 align:middle line:90% Really great talking to you. 455 00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:11.361 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. 456 00:22:15.601 --> 00:22:19.469 align:middle line:90% You can read Maggie Nichols' book, "Unstoppable," on Apple Books. 457 00:22:19.479 --> 00:22:22.020 align:middle line:90% And we'll include a link for you on our show notes page. 458 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:25.829 align:middle line:90% And if you or someone you know is experiencing sexual violence, 459 00:22:25.959 --> 00:22:29.270 align:middle line:90% please call the National Sexual Assault Hotline 460 00:22:29.290 --> 00:22:32.329 align:middle line:90% at 800-656-HOPE. 461 00:22:32.675 --> 00:22:36.806 align:middle line:90% That's 800-656-4673. 462 00:22:44.830 --> 00:22:45.330 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC FADES OUT]